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Some workshop, lots of boys toys, some as you say needing the appropriate respect when using ;)
A neat looking "scrap" machine, cgi might have taken over and many may do it faster than you D1, but you can create both a physical result as well as computer creation if needed.

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Hi Mike i have worked with me mate it was good to learn the process . Not to much hammering actually its mostly done by power hammers. Very scary great care as to be exercised you either going to burn yourself or squish something :(
As for holding work when milling i nearly always use a vice something similar to this http://www.axminster.co.uk/accu-lock-machine-vice-4. My mill can only machine about 85mm in Y axis so i tend to buy 100mm stock width and just shove it in the vise .
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A set of parallels are handy if you go this route http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Precision-Par ... 5416681de8 .Keeps everything nice and level you may notice you can spend a lot of tooling when you enter the world of CNC :o .
Wish i could build a case round mine seem to spend more time sweeping up . Have found the more WD40 i use the less the chips tend to fly .
Well sort of on topic but in the wrong thread when will i ever get it right ?
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D1,
Put your post in CNC hope you don't mind, I have a machine vice 100mm across the jaws, a bit heavy so link will come in useful , Y axis 150mm. The parallels are on my list of "needs", useful link, thanks. I have 5L of WD40, useful for hedge trimmer blades etc. and now for machining :D

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Got the X and Y axes movements to within 0.01 to 0.04mm and z probably the same, but a little more work on that one. A quick test machining a pulley profile in a bit of scrap aluminium, use a 2mm mill at approx 10,000rpm and a cutting speed of 20mm/sec, cut depth a tentative 0.25mm with 10mm/sec plunge to a final depth of 3mm. Will try the CMC Cookbook speed and feed wizard 30day trial and also calibrate the spindle speed with a black and white disc using a light bulb (50hz mains).
Gardening is going to be a big problem for the next month or two, so much tree and hedge cutting, still the workshop will make a handy retreat for rainy days ;)


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Hi Mike the vice i use does look ridiculously large on my mill but it works its 100mm to . In fact i was surprised when it turned up couldn't really tell from photo . So the one you have may be same as mine . I had to slice i bit off the rear with a angle grinder so i could get full Y travel :D
You got another one in before my ultra slow typing . I've never altered the spindle speed just leave it on full ali . I would suggest doing a pass with a bigger bit first though . I think theirs is a relationship between mill diameter and how deep you can cut . I tend to remove as much stuff with a 6mm then finish off with a 2.5mm for a htd5 pulley . Have you tried ball nose mills and side profiles you can get great radius and slopes
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Mike,
There'll be no stopping you now :D


Sun Aug 30, 2015 5:40 pm
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Hi, Kit, slowly....slowly... ;) Still waiting to enclose my "fresh air" frame and finish off the wiring. Bank Holiday here holding up deliveries.
D1, that looks like a well rounded finish :D , will put a ball cutter or two on my next order, using Cutwel tools, excellent delivery, next day before 2pm but have ordered much later and still got next day. They must be close to you?

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Hi Mike will have a look at Cutwel find it hard to get ones that will cut deep enough. I have ordered bits from all over was going to see which seemed best . Afraid just got confused couldn't remember which was which some def better than others though . I did order a selection of ball nose from China they were cheap and i just cut acrylic with them so fine. Theirs a unit on one of the industrial estates i work that chucks out loads of acrylic . Very handy for a Yorkshire man :D .You can get very smooth curves just depends on depth increment i tend to stick to .2mm takes ages but you just do a bit of weeding . I would eventually like to get a fourth axis but Cambam isn't set up for that .
Realised your mill can run at a much higher spindle speed than mine . Mine tops out at 2500 so you may have a advantage over SX2.
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10% discount at Cutwel, till the end of August, tonight :( Might order a couple of ball nose. Long cutters are not cheap, but very sharp, box of plasters on order ;)
Should be able to go 1/2 cutter dia per cut for slot type cut and 1 cutter dia when profiling at a couple of hundred mm/min, we'll see. Maybe the weeding / pruning option would be better :D

When you do a two pass cut on the pulleys , do you set up two profiles in CamBan with first profile set with the large cutter data and a second profile with the smaller cutter? That was my plan and then to edit a M1 into the resulting G code at the tool change code half way through and the Mach3 M1 Optional Stop set On and use the break to change tools or do you produce two separate files?

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I Mike had a look at Cutwel almost to much to take in but they do have what i need will give then a try .
As for different passes with different tools i just tend to create a new file adapted from original drawing . I tend to find its only bits that need the small tool treatment rather the entire job . Their is prob a easier way but i just tend to find a way that suits me .
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I tend to use carbide end mills only. They cost more but they are so sharp, and they keep the sharpness.

For aluminium, I use the type made for the purpose. All this talk of CNC mills is making me jealous, so I will have to adapt my mill as soon as I find the time.

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Was hoping my bit snapping days were over but unfortunately not . But the carbide bits are much better and its worth the extra money as long as you don't snap them :(
Think i have said before Edward you may need to attack the mill with a angle grinder . My Y axis wouldn't fit but it wasn't a huge problem . You wont regret spending the time .
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I've never snapped a endmill, too cautious perhaps, but I have clogged one small bit when aluminium melted due to the high temperature.

The worst thing I snapped was a poor quality tap. Then I couldn't retrieve it from the hole and it ruined a part. Now I only use top quality German taps, the difference is incredible.

In general it pays to invest in good tooling, I have been stingy in the past and regretted it.

My latest tool?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NOGA-NG1200-R ... 3f2ebb102e

Sheer indulgence, but it's a pleasure to use:)


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I've been looking at the Axminster CNC mills, quite nice, and with a good enclosure, plus toolchange.

I wonder how good and sturdy they are?

This one has a 152mm Y axis, beats the hell out of our lowly SX2's


http://www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-cn ... -ikx1-mill


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Hi Edward that mill looks quite nice like the tool change . Dont think you get quite as much X travel though and the tool change is in the way if you want to put a long piece in, But that been said i do like it let me know if you find any useful reviews.
Snapping bits is a CNC thing . Its usually rapids between cuts that catch you out and you dont get any feed back through hand wheeels .
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German mills, exhibition specials look to be reasonable price, did think about one but too heavy for my location :( :(

https://www.wabeco-remscheid.de/milling-machines.html

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Hi Edward that mill looks quite nice like the tool change . Dont think you get quite as much X travel though and the tool change is in the way if you want to put a long piece in, But that been said i do like it let me know if you find any useful reviews.
Snapping bits is a CNC thing . Its usually rapids between cuts that catch you out and you dont get any feed back through hand wheeels .
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i used to run an intermac stone cnc mostly beginners er trainee operators tended to break the tool holders when changing tools not sure why. the only thing i could put it down to was the machine liked to do things in a certain order trying to change that "order" and it would bite you. i figured it was easier to work with the machine rather than against it. i swear it had its own character. another way to do it would be drop down too quick in the z axis that usually broke the bit or the granite slab or both and my personal favorite inputting a height of 20mm when the piece was 40 mm thick :oops: the trouble with a cnc is when something breaks the whole factory hears it. :roll:


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I've been looking at the Axminster CNC mills, quite nice, and with a good enclosure, plus toolchange.

I wonder how good and sturdy they are?

This one has a 152mm Y axis, beats the hell out of our lowly SX2's


http://www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-cn ... -ikx1-mill


Oh wow. I was aware of the iKX1 through the Sieg website but I didn't think there were any UK suppliers. I have a normal KX1 without the tool changer... Wonder if it could be upgraded somehow? Always wanted a power draw bar at the least :D.


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Started machining the centre of a slewing gear today. Cabinet for mill requires some permanent sides but an old window blind and a piece of hardboard came in handy to get going. Two LED strip lights (waterproof enclosures) to be placed in an appropriate position when I have decided where that is ;)
The noise reduction is quite considerable when the front panel is in place, not that there is a great deal of noise anyway.
Enclosure looks large but mill bed / stepper motors in X and Y axes comes to within 25mm of sides and front at full extents.
Part way through machining, I have to turn part over and re-centre. Using centre as datum rather than edges as all features are relative to the centre.


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Hi Mike you are cutting ali in anger :D . Is that a gear or timing pulley ? Ah just read notes ware did you get the XL generator from all my Cambam provides is HTD
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Edit ya got a MPG to have you managed to set it up better than me ?


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Nice find in a small mill Edward. I didn't know there were tabletop mills with a tool changer. That saves a lot of time.

Mike, nice looking pulley. We used to mill the part from one side, then flip it over and do a surfacing pass to release the part. Alignment is not so critical if the back is just being surfaced. Parts that had to be milled on both sides, had to be done the hard way. Probably restating the obvious here, but worth it if it helps.


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Hi Mike you are cutting ali in anger :D . Is that a gear or timing pulley ? Ah just read notes ware did you get the XL generator from all my Cambam provides is HTD
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Edit ya got a MPG to have you managed to set it up better than me ?


Sorry to disappoint with the pulley type, had XL on the brain when I wrote that :( but I can generate XL with http://www.gearotic.com/ and import DFX to CamBam

The MPG works quite well on x1 and to x100, x1000 is a bit jerky, I have the default setting as loaded. Need to understand pigeon Chinese to stand a chance of setting it up properly ;)
All that talk of casting aluminium the other week, now I know why ;)
Hi, James, I need to flip and align, I have another bearing pocket to produce + I need to remove most of the material from the centre almost to the edge of the bearing pocket for the through bolts that will clamp the end plates of the slew bearing to the pulley.

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Hi Mike so it is a HTD ? I have had a look at gearotic is their a demo/free version . I do find you can usually rip a DXF from the stuff you find on http://www.tracepartsonline.net/(S(idol ... btwl02pxgk))/content.aspx?home=1&class=TRACE .
Yes MPG is ok but i would describe it as jerky to. I was expecting the faster i turned the wheel the faster the axis would move correspondingly . Instead i can either nudge it at 100 1000 etc or move it at one set speed . Their is also another setting that gives you two speeds the faster i move the wheel . This may be as good as it gets but my main reason for its purchase was to get rid of the keyboard .
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MPG?


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MPG?

Hi, Edward, Manual Pulse Generator - for jogging the XYZ axes.
Demo, mine is USB not wireless.

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Thanks Mike, yes, I always fancied one of these. I guess with wireless I'd be afraid to loose contact and see the mill jogging madly towards the end:)
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Thanks Mike, yes, I always fancied one of these. I guess with wireless I'd be afraid to loose contact and see the mill jogging madly towards the end:)
Edward

Hi, Edward,
My thoughts also, that is why I went for the USB wired option :D

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edward wrote:
Thanks Mike, yes, I always fancied one of these. I guess with wireless I'd be afraid to loose contact and see the mill jogging madly towards the end:)
Edward

Hi, Edward,
My thoughts also, that is why I went for the USB wired option :D


Great minds think a like :D


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Thought this might interest you guys: Tormach just came out with a smaller sized version of their other mills. I thought about importing one of their bigger mills when I was shopping (only about a year ago) but the size / weight put me off. That an the hassle of importing.

With the power draw bar I would of had one of these over the KX1 I eventually ended up with any day of the week.

Theres is a video on Toermachs homepage: http://www.tormach.com.


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Neat looking mill, importing not a problem as long as you can navigate the HMRC website import tables. A code is required by the carrier so that the correct amount of duty can be applied if you use them to deal with import duty, 2.7% in my case.

D1, try this link for small mills, should be what you are looking for this time ;)
http://www.cutwel.co.uk/milling/milling ... b80-series

Note the blue down arrow to the right of the shopping trolley when you get to the last item on the page, the are many more mills when you scroll down.
It is easier using the catalogue :-)

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Yes nice mill wonder if you can get a tool changer for that one . I am just a hobbyist on the mill front so don't think i will ever invest that amount of money . Got a feeling i will end up a Frankenstein X1 when motors etc burn out . Wonder how difficult it is to make a tool changer and can Mach run one ?
Cheers Mike just what i was looking for cant believe you can get them that long :o I certain amount of care will be needed think will order two just in case.
Got a new job in so pottering funds restored :D
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lateAtNight,


Did you also consider the German Wabeco CNC milling machines?

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Did you also consider the German Wabeco CNC milling machines?
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I did. I can't remember why I discounted them, from what I remember everything I read had good things to say. Can't go wrong with a German built machine can you?

I just remember being disappointed no mill in that size bracket at the time had a power draw bar. A year or so later along comes both the KX1s and then the Tormach. Typical.

I looked at the Wabeco's again and I do envy the spindle power which is three times ish the power of what I have.


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D1, Hypocycloid generator plugin for CamBam see post 6 by 10bull for the zip file. Relates to 10:1 gearbox discussion.

http://www.cambam.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=3497.0

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Hi Mike yes i have that plugin and their is a lot of 3d printer Hypocycloid boxes out their . Their was a bit of discussion on then in this thread viewtopic.php?f=24&t=10033&start=80 Affordable low backlash worm gearing . The belief is theirs a bit of a problem with them . They have a problem with non-linearity i can see the issues but i also wonder if this is true relating to motion control . In a lot of case a axis on a motion control rig never achieves a full revolution. Would non-linearity effect this not sure did print a quick test but got distracted by other things .
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Hi Mike yes i have that plugin and their is a lot of 3d printer Hypocycloid boxes out their . Their was a bit of discussion on then in this thread viewtopic.php?f=24&t=10033&start=80 Affordable low backlash worm gearing . The belief is theirs a bit of a problem with them . They have a problem with non-linearity i can see the issues but i also wonder if this is true relating to motion control . In a lot of case a axis on a motion control rig never achieves a full revolution. Would non-linearity effect this not sure did print a quick test but got distracted by other things .
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Hi, I see you not only know about the plug-in but have used it :-) Weather too good to be in workshop, all stop for a while.

Another CAD link hopefully not already posted: http://www.cnc-toolkit.com/

Interesting mould making video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKK-D5UiMMI

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Hi Mike CNC Toolkit interesting was considering turning/adapting the 7 axis arm into a router but couldn't think of a affordable way to control it . This looks like it may have had possibilities shame arm didn't work :D .Still may be useful for 4th axis on a mill or a scratch built thing . I do a lot of poly carving would be nice to automate it .
Like you i to have been making the most of the weather battening down the garden ready for winter lots of wood preserver liberally applied to places it shouldn't really be applied :o
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Finally got fed up with bits of ali all over place :( Not a perfect solution but considering i haven't got enough space for a full encloser it will do .
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The box moves with the bed so it doesn't have to be quite as large . As i say not perfect but it does stop the floor been covered in bits :D .
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Every little helps :-) South of where I usually am for a few weeks
Soaking up the sun. Pain typing on a phone screen 8-) o

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D1, I'm a bit disconcerted about your mill, maybe it's because of the perspex reflections. It looks like you have a cream swivelling vise on top of the mill base? But then I can't see the mill base, it looks like it's underneath the perspex base, and the vise is kind of floating. It's probably an optical illusion, but i can't quite work it out, even though I have an identical mill.

I am moving my machines from my studio to my home garage next week, it's your typical 1930's block concrete garage, it will be bloody cold there, I have two electric heaters and I have a feeling that my electricity bill will be quite high this winter!

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edward wrote:

I am moving my machines from my studio to my home garage next week, it's your typical 1930's block concrete garage, it will be bloody cold there, I have two electric heaters and I have a feeling that my electricity bill will be quite high this winter!

Edward


Who that sounds a bit grim :( You def picked wrong time of year for your move . You may be best getting some 3ins thick kingspan and try to insulate the place . My shed as it built into walls and its very toasty :D

Yes i use a vice most of the time as the mill cant realy cut much more the 85mm in the y axis everything fits within the jaws of the vice . Theirs a clearer pic on page one of this thread .Are you going to fit your CNC Fusion kit ?
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