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Post Another early try - San Diego bay at dusk
Here's another test:

http://morningstar.smugmug.com/Other/Ti ... HsN6a-A-LB

(sure wishI could figure out how to embed from SmugMug)

This time I shot full raw files on the 1DmkIV. I did compress the files a little to save on space since I'm just playing around right now. I wish I had started about 15 minutes earlier when the sky had more blue and gone about 15 minutes later but my friend with me got bored. Note to self: next time do this alone.

For fun I brought the movie into iMovie 09 and did a pan. I think the entire thing is moving too fast. I made the movie at 30fps.... wondering if 24 would be more pleasant.

I'm going to keep experimenting: any feedback?

UPDATED LINK:
http://morningstar.smugmug.com/Other/Ti ... 3vx3d-A-LB


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Looks good. I don't know if it's the software your using to turn the stills into video, but I'm guessing the stills look a lot more crisp?

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Sat Oct 02, 2010 11:37 pm
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Post Re: Another early try - San Diego bay at dusk
Yes. the still are very crisp. I'm guessing that using quicktime then imovie to make the video does a double compression?
I should look into a way to make the video direct from the raw files.


Sun Oct 03, 2010 10:08 am
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Post Re: Another early try - San Diego bay at dusk
Hey Rand,

randlarson wrote:
I'm guessing that using quicktime then imovie to make the video does a double compression?
Actually you have a triple compressed video!
The two you said and the additional compression from smugmug (which is probably the worst of those three).

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I should look into a way to make the video direct from the raw files.
I am sure you are aware of After Effects, which can do everything in one go.
An alternative would be to develop the raw files in your favourite RAW converter to lossless tiff files and then use the freeware Virtual Dub to create the pan and do resizing before compressing the video in a high quality format.

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Post Re: Another early try - San Diego bay at dusk
Ah.... there ya go! You have just given me a Sunday afternoon project! Gonna go play with that nice freeware now!
Many thanks!


Sun Oct 03, 2010 10:32 am
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freeware Virtual Dub to create the pan and do resizing before compressing the video in a high quality format.


I'll probably find the question when fiddling with Virtual Dub but.... do I need some different software for the compression step?


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Post Re: Another early try - San Diego bay at dusk
Yes, you need to install an appropiate codec (which ypu probably already have) for Windows I would recommend ffdshow, see if you find an alternative for it.
I don't know if the steps are exactly the same on a Mac, but you have to go to Video->Compression and choose a codec you think is appropiate. After that go to File and save as avi (or whatever the standard container format on a Mac is).
I hope this is of help.

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Post Re: Another early try - San Diego bay at dusk
Thank you David,
I'm in the process of installing Virtual Dub on my Bootcamp partition on my mac.... since you are so helpful I'll ask you: is Virtual Dub able to take the uncompressed tiff files and create a video file? Or do I need to make a video file with another application first?


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I am sorry, I just checked and Virtual Dub doesn't seem to know tiff files, very strange.... :?:
In that case you can go for JPEG, the difference in quality will definately not visible in the final video.
You have to got to File->Open video file and pick the first frame of the image sequence, make sure to check Automatically load linked segments.
I don't know if the image files do have to be in consecutive order, but to make sure it will work take care of that when exporting them from your RAW converter.

Bootcamp means you are running Windows right?
If yes download the latest version of ffdshow to get the appropiate codecs.
Install it and choose that as an compressor for your video files the way I described above.
Choosing the right encoder is a different chapter I might write that tutorial I wanted to write for a long time...

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Thanks David,
I saw that Virtual Dub would see *.iff files and was considering changing the file extension to be just .iff but instead i'll just play with the jpegs that I used. I have to remind myself that this is all play right now. I'm getting the compressor stuff downloaded now.


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I've opened my jpeg sequence in VirtualDub but can only view the top left corner of my image file(s). Is this normal? I was expecting to view the entire video frame and do the crop/pan. Is there a setting to show the entire video in a window?


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Post Re: Another early try - San Diego bay at dusk
You only see the left corner because you got your zoom set to 100%
Right click into your video to change it to 12% or whatever fits into your screen.

Check this video:

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Post Re: Another early try - San Diego bay at dusk
Ahhhh. so there is an add-on to allow me to zoom and pan and crop in Visual Dub. That answers a lot.... still installing skype


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I'd really like to see it again when you finish making rendering it.

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I would love to try it again. Joachim Buambeki spent quite a bit of time with me via Skype tonight showing me how to use Virtual Dub. Turns out I was running into problems using WinXP via VM Ware Fusion. Once I started up in Bootcamp it all ran perfectly.

But here's where I'm stuck, and maybe you can help me out

1) Can Virtual Dub import non-compressed tiff files? It doesn't seem to recognize the files. Should I change the file extension to .iff?

2) Joachim (David) showed me a filter to zoom and pan. But I don't quite get how to do the pan in Virtual Dub using that or any other filter. Maybe because it's so easy in iMovie I loose my motivation. It looks like I need to enter specific x/y coordinates and I'm not really all that precise.

What I really should do is find the Final Cut Pro install discs and install it. I'm embarrassed to say that I have an evaluation copy from 3 years ago and I never installed it. I'm assuming I can work from the original RAW files and do the zoom/pan with minimal degradation...

Do you have any advice on a free way to do the pan?

In the meanwhile, I'll render out a video using Virtual Dub but it won't pan. I'll use non-compressed tiff files and will make the video using Quicktime Pro and will upload video file to Vimeo. Maybe at least I can see some better image.


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Post Re: Another early try - San Diego bay at dusk
I found a very helpful page in the Vimeo faq section about how to produce the best quality video for upload to their site. They gave very specific instructions for using iMovie 09 which is what I used to edit, crop and pan in my little test videos. The information that they link to is here:

http://blog.davidglover.org/2009/03/creating-hd-video-with-imovie-09.html

So I went back to my original video files that were created from the uncompressed (or slightly compressed) jpegs and sequenced in QuickTime Pro. (By the way, those 10-20 second video clips were between 2 and 4 gb each). I did my thing in iMovie then followed the steps outlined in that link. Perhaps I could have gone back to the original raw files and re-exported them out to be sure they were uncompressed jpegs. Also, the low-light stuff should have been run thru Canon DPP for a better conversion to jpegs. Regardless, it seems that the resulting video is a little bit better, at least to my eyes.

The short clip of San Diego is at the end of my compilation video. This is nothing but a few of the tests I made starting from my first one (of the shadow going across the pool) and trying to get some stars even with a full moon. I seem many mistakes and much to learn, but here it is regardless:

[vimeo]http://www.vimeo.com/15536073
[/vimeo]

[vimeo]<iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/15536073" width="400" height="300" frameborder="0"></iframe><p><a href="http://vimeo.com/15536073">Testing Time Lapse photography</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/randlarson">Rand Larson</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>[/vimeo]

(Dang it! I can't figure out how to embed a video from Vimeo.... any advice?)


Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:21 pm
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Post Re: Another early try - San Diego bay at dusk
I think it you add the www to the vimeo address will be successfully inserted in the forum page.

Scott


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Post Re: Another early try - San Diego bay at dusk
Thanks Scott. Here's a try:

http://www.vimeo.com/15536073

and again:

[vimeo]www.vimeo.com/15536073[/vimeo]

I don't think it works.... jeepers, my mind is tired!


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You need to click the Vimeo button, copy the link, add www but leave the http in the link.


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let's see if this one works....

Thank you sir! That is the ticket: click the vimeo button first, then copy the link and paste it.
It's the simple things...

Many thanks.


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